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The value of paper. And an R5 Turbo 2. Or a BMW

If a painting says 'Rembrandt' or 'Picasso', that painting is worth more than an equally beautiful painting without a name on it. It becomes exciting again when a painting is not painted by Rembrandt or something, but that the name of the painter is on it.


Just another 15.000 euros extra

For example, a perfectly restored BMW R68 is a rare (something from 3000 was made), so expensive. And it is clearly a BMW. To keep the variety pure, BMW has an authenticity register for that kind of exotics. It refused such a certificate for the reborn BMW because it could not be made clear that the nameplate would be 100% factory original.

Read also: Restoration BMW R68

After a long negotiation process, the BMW ended up with an ex-BMW hotemetoot. And what the restorer failed to do, the old friends managed to do it together: The R68 got his birth certificate. And that paper is just worth what is printed on it? With factory approval, the BMW was suddenly worth € 15.000 more.

Nevertheless, such a statement of authenticity can be useful

After all, there are many classics on two and four wheels dressed as more expensive brothers. And if you are going to spend serious money, then it is nice to know that you are not spending that money on a creative fake.

For most classics, the authenticity within a club can be traced. But there are also 'registers' that, whether or not manufacturer-related and / or recognized, can give the classic its official status. That process costs money, and depending on whether the original supplier is further south, time. With the French, any form of quick settlement is effectively drained by the optimally developed bureaucracy. In Italy chaos reigns as ever. The only consolation is that no serious automotive activities ever came out of Greece.

A British Renault

The Renault R5 Turbo 2 in the photos has a British license plate. The car is exemplary original. But because such an R5 Turbo phase 2 is really worth a lot of money these days - or: it is in any case paid for it - the potential buyer wants to have a 'certificate d'origine' with it. For this you can consult Renault at Renault SRC in France. Roy Bolks of Potomac Classics rolled up his sleeves and emailed to France.

Wait, wait, wait a little longer

A long time ago, all information about the anabolic R5 was sent to that useful institution. And then there was a deafening silence. That was when we were called in to talk to the French. Taking into account the local break and rest times, we tried to call the French. That has not yet worked. As an experiment, we then pressed the suggested '0' for contact in English. After the transfer we got a tape again. In fast spoken French. But because we speak French, we already knew: Also in English you were told in French that there were countless people waiting for us and that the waiting time… Well. Never mind.

In the meantime, we found https://classicregister.com/id-guides/info-guide-1988-1991-renault-5-gt-turbo-phase-2, but unfortunately that site does not issue certificates written out with quill on parchment. We now have four cases in which the French bureaucracy shows what it is worth. The only consolation is that the French suffer as much as we do.

But the wait can be rewarding….

Read also:
- Renault R5. From before globalization
- Renault 5. Successful compact and at home in all markets
- Buying a house in France as a classic enthusiast. “Nice to have with you”

With certificate suddenly 15 D more 'worth'

Waiting for recognition


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  1. Smoked on an R-68. I had one. Nice engine, ran perfectly and was fast.
    But yes, it was 1965 and an E-glass decorated R-60 came my way.
    Trade-in of the R-68 was possible. I got NLG 400.– for it.
    Happy home with the R-60. A few days later I heard stories of numbers manufactured, rarity and high prices.
    Because this is a neat site with neat word choice, my description ends here.

  2. At Mercedes-Benz it is easy: just enter the chassis number in lastvin.com and you will receive all the factory data, including engine and gearbox numbers, all extras that have been factory-installed or omitted (such as the type plate), all codes. of paint and upholstery, the day the car left the factory (and which factory it left) and which country it was ordered from.

  3. Recently came across an original 2CV6 Charleston on the site of a really big dealer in classics with year 1974 and round, black headlights.

    Then you don't have to take the rest of what is said seriously.

    • Hm, if it starts with an A, my experience there is also less. But more is traded with uhhh careless information. Probably fueled by the increasing amount of silly money.

      • Indeed, and then 14.000 euros is a bit much for an ordinary duck painted in fake Charleston colors. For less money you can buy a good Rolls-Royce from those years.

  4. The official birth certificate of both my '73 Citroën DSuper as '87 CX I had at home with a month or two ..?
    So that every French manufacturer mows at it with the French trick is nonsense.
    Citroën in any case not…

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